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Post by Nogamara on Mar 10, 2010 10:57:17 GMT -5
Hello, as most of you probably didn't notice, I'm not answering to "gz" following achievements my client inevitably sends out to /g. Not that I can't appreciate, I'm just a bit puzzled. Maybe I've been playing this game for too long and gotten too grumpy, but I see no "Achievement" in most of these. So please don't be annoyed if I seem to ignore you, my regular guild even only gets snide remarks for any "gz" to an "Explore Dragonblight" message, I'll keep those to myself, promised. So yes, I'm totally the first to utter an outburst of joy if you ding 80, as I hate this levelling chore most of the time, or if you down a new boss - props to you, but not for the stuff I've done 20 times while half-asleep (like discovering Durotar). I even don't get all the "birthday wishes" fuzz, but at least it's a nice "I thought of you" (and now throw a party you greedy bastard ) - but I usually don't have my telephone & addressbook available at the touch of a key (guild window). And before someone draws any parallels to this post, no - I agree with some and find some of them very weird, I've had my views on this topic since that achievement system came live. Oh, and I'm really not trying to push any of you into my thinking, or tell you what to do and what not to do, but if you find I'm rude by not responding, have a look at here. It's my disclaimer.
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Post by Tamarind on Mar 10, 2010 11:56:43 GMT -5
I can't answer for anybody else - but personally I have no strong opinions either way. If people want to salute TAMARIND FELL OFF A HIGH LEDGE LIKE A SPAZZ BUT DID NOT DIE with a parade of gratzs, I'm perfectly happy. If they don't, I'm perfectly happy. To be honest, I think it's one of those Social Convention things. I'm a big believer in social conventions, maybe it's because I'm English. A illustration, if you will indulge me: I remember vividly this one time I was at a party and I'd been introduced to some tit who'd just arrived, and I said, as one does, something along the lines of "how are you?" Whereupon Some Tit launched himself into a 10 minute spiel about how he was in minute and agonising detail, by way of drawing attention (in an exceptionally puerile fashion) to the fact that "how are you" is linguistically empty and I didn't really give a toss about how he "really" was. As you can imagine I took this opportunity to hit the fucking roof, pointing out with some vehemence that, yes, "how are you" is a social convention but one that serves an *entirely different* social function to the one his immature mind seemed to have latched onto. By asking "how are you" we are essentially indicating "I am ready to engage in the human activity of conversation with you, here is your starter for 10." I suspect a parade of "grats" fulfils a similar one. It says not "I wish to applaud your meaningless achievement" but "I wish to state verbally that I am moderately invested in the progress of your game." In short: I don't think anybody is going to read anything into it, either way, and whether one gratses or does-not-grats is entirely down to personal preference. However, those who do grats are not necessarily as foolish as those who don't-grats believe them to be
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Post by Phaerae on Mar 10, 2010 12:35:42 GMT -5
If people want to salute TAMARIND FELL OFF A HIGH LEDGE LIKE A SPAZZ BUT DID NOT DIE with a parade of gratzs, I'm perfectly happy. If they don't, I'm perfectly happy. If that really happened to someone, I'd gratz them in a heartbeat. It's rare to fall off a cliff, go "oh crap." and then miraculously survive with 1% HP. You even get an achievement to boot! Which means you were pretty lucky! So, yes, that would be so worth congratulating someone over. For the most part, some achievements are strange to congratulate people over. But on the other hand, certain achievements might mean special things to players. For example, the player who found himself rerolling an alt after playing only his main for a year... and then getting to level 10? Yeah, that's an achievement for him. And maybe our congratulations will add to the push to help him level. Similarly, there are other achievements. For example, Professional Artisan. Wow, you got your profession to 200? That's actually really good, considering all of our levels at the moment. There are, of course, some achievements that are really just easy to get. Exploration achievements are worth congratulating - for explorers (try exploring everything in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms before Cata comes out... it's a chore). For the others who just pick it up on their way doing quests, it's not as important. Don't worry if you don't feel like congratulating anyone. It's not like we're going to kill you.
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Post by Nogamara on Mar 10, 2010 13:06:05 GMT -5
Isn't saying "I'll kill you" also a social convention of expressing moderate to heavy disagreement with said person's actions? Well, I think I've only been threatened once in my life and the guy probably hadn't expected to be about my shoulder height so the only offensive action at that LAN party was stealing my soda while I slept ><.
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Post by Phaerae on Mar 10, 2010 13:11:30 GMT -5
xD
I tend to use phrases because I know what reaction I'll get out of them.
But yeah, you get my point. Nobody would mind if someone just started clamming up in guild chat and said absolutely nothing (maybe they're depressed!) - much less to say if someone just avoided congratulating anyone over achievements.
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Post by theog on Mar 10, 2010 13:58:36 GMT -5
"To gratz, or not to gratz. That is the question." I agree that there are achievements which are kind of silly (Can I Keep Him?) and ones that deserve a little huzzah (like catching 100 "fish" while your buds are running around DING-a-linging). But to each his own. Some people post achievements for the absurdity of it, some are proud, some are nostalgic, some want to joke about it and some have a psychological disorder that forces them to put "ANAL" in front of anything they can link - being in [Trade] apparently has a high chance of triggering this behavior. To each her own. Same for the gratzing part. I like to send one to every achievement that's linked. Mostly it's because I want people to know I'm following and supporting them. Partly it's because I'm trying to come up with 100 different ways to say "gratz" and then create a random-macro. And some of the times it's to give a big, TheOg pat on the back that says "I'm proud of ya (and secretly very, very jealous)." In any case, even if you *want* to gratz everything it may be impossible. Because SANS is a community driven, highly social, very verbose and popular guild right now the chat pane is flooded. I simply can't keep up If there was an achievement for the guild with the highest WPS (words per second), we'd PWN! -TheOg
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Post by Milovany on Mar 10, 2010 14:14:37 GMT -5
If there was an achievement for the guild with the highest WPS (words per second), we'd PWN! -TheOg ... wait, you mean there isn't? DAMB! What have I been slaving away for then? That's it, someone' getting an angry letter... grumble rumble mislead grumble lies grrr recompense payback grumble slimy bast.... oh. Carry on. I'm sort of wishy-washy on the whole achi thing. While I'm not inclined to coo over the "Iubit found a mailbox!" achievement (pets and moar pets); I am trying to immerse myself in my lowbieness enough to get pretty excited over someone hitting Level 10, hitting the next profession tier, or running a new instance (especially with a level-appropriate group). Of course some of them - Falling off a cliff or that horrible mine thing in K-3 (or my favorite, exploring Elwynn a year after hitting 80) are fun and/or funny enough to warrant a round of /clap.
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Post by balthazario on Mar 10, 2010 15:58:40 GMT -5
As far as I know, the achi posting is automatic, and not intentionally posted.
As for me, Tam nailed my reason: I grats folks as a minor showing of solidarnosk and to let folks know that yes, I see you, and because we have both made the choice to associate (via SAN) and we are now "community"
Also I know it's nice to be noticed and have some interactins with others, even if all I did was gwt my first pet out of the mail.
Then again, WoW is ALL about the social interaction for me
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Post by Jaedia on Mar 10, 2010 17:56:02 GMT -5
I'm in the "I won't gz unless it's an achievement that took a bit of effort or extreme luck" camp, though I have no qualms with people doing it I gz on dings because I always have and I'm used to it, I'll say hello and goodnight for the majority because it's polite, but upon reaching a mailbox and a guild bank and getting the BoA pets and a tabard, they are my lines really. From the part of the game when achievements were introduced until late Spring/early Summer last year I've been in fairly old or high end raiding guilds who had the same ideas as me so I got used to being uninterested if your level 80 runs through RFK and gets the achievement but heck if you get Loremaster.. you get a gz with an exclamation mark! Yes, an exclamation mark. /crazy.
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Post by aleanathem on Mar 10, 2010 22:14:41 GMT -5
I just forget. I gz on the *0s, large explorer ones, etc, but if I don't say it I probably just forgot. =p
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Post by poneria on Mar 10, 2010 23:51:41 GMT -5
If people want to salute TAMARIND FELL OFF A HIGH LEDGE LIKE A SPAZZ BUT DID NOT DIE with a parade of gratzs, I'm perfectly happy. If they don't, I'm perfectly happy. LOL, I actually had to go out of my way to get the Going Down! achiev. Spent many times jumping off SW Harbor or that one mountain in Netherstorm or dismounting off my flying mount in Shatt, because I kept either dying or it wasn't high enough. Horde, on the other hand, all you have to do is jump off a zep early. I got yelled at in gchat for being stupid enough to almost die by doing this, when in fact I was doing it on purpose. Sheesh, sorry I wanted to be silly for kicks? So I grats achievs when I see them, partially to say "Hey, you're there!" and partially to say "Oi, you did something wacky! I like wacky! You're cool. "
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Post by chev on Mar 11, 2010 3:44:50 GMT -5
If there was an achievement for the guild with the highest WPS (words per second), we'd PWN! -TheOg So true Og. It's turned my normally not chatty self into a chatty social person. Frightening. Took me 20 min to get out of the Inn today. As for congratulating, I do it if; 1. It's a big thing that a stranger has done, or 2. A little thing that a friend has done. In other words it's totally subjective. Chev
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Post by Rahana on Mar 11, 2010 4:10:05 GMT -5
I will go completely offtopic here - but do you know any other guild where such thing would be discussed (in such way anyways?) As for me, I tend to honestly gratz on important (milestone if you will) achievments - level 10, 20, 30 etc, professions above expected skill for level, a series of explores meaning the person who obviously is just exploring or 100 Fish that Tobold dinged in Dragonblight as level 4
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Post by Nefernet on Mar 11, 2010 4:18:00 GMT -5
I will go completely offtopic here - but do you know any other guild where such thing would be discussed (in such way anyways?) As bloggers or blog readers, we are used to share our views while respecting the point of the other people. SAN is no different. We share.
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Post by Echo on Mar 11, 2010 4:38:20 GMT -5
If people want to salute TAMARIND FELL OFF A HIGH LEDGE LIKE A SPAZZ BUT DID NOT DIE with a parade of gratzs, I'm perfectly happy. If they don't, I'm perfectly happy. LOL, I actually had to go out of my way to get the Going Down! achiev. Spent many times jumping off SW Harbor or that one mountain in Netherstorm or dismounting off my flying mount in Shatt, because I kept either dying or it wasn't high enough. Horde, on the other hand, all you have to do is jump off a zep early. I got yelled at in gchat for being stupid enough to almost die by doing this, when in fact I was doing it on purpose. Sheesh, sorry I wanted to be silly for kicks? So I grats achievs when I see them, partially to say "Hey, you're there!" and partially to say "Oi, you did something wacky! I like wacky! You're cool. " If people like, I can show them this one place in shattrath which is the perfect height to give you the achievement and leave you with a little health. We could even make an innuendo themed event!
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