Here's An Idea

[Jaedia]

I was just thinking about how sad it is that people don't do Naxx/Sarth/Maly/Ulduar anymore for any other purpose than "well it's the weekly."

Would people be interested, if/when we reach the 80s, even the 60s and the 70s, in running the abandoned raids rather than rushing through heroics? I think it'd be a lot more fun doing those places in crap gear, than grabbing 4 pieces of Tier 9 and facerolling through them. It'd be more of a social Saturday night if people are interested thing, what do you think?

[vars]

Yes! That sounds like a great idea. I'm always bemoaning how the easy access of T9 has invalidated all the old instances that I still want to run. You can count me in if/when my mage reaches 80

[Randomaia]

Definitely up for this, even doing the BC raids/dungeons at the appropriate levels would be a lot of fun. I only did a few Kara runs before WotLK dropped and my guild did not want to do them.

There are still a few of the Vanilla instance that I have not even seen, much less completed. I'd like to before Cataclism drops in case some are gone forever in their original state.

I'd also like to try to get the hunter 2pc T5 bonus to I can have my pet tank for me when I solo stuff moar betterer. ;D

[Phaerae]

Sure, sounds interesting! A good warm-up before Cata, too.

[jen]

I can't say I want to run some of the BC heroics ever again... but doing it with people who have brains and don't go 'omfg u suck' might be fun. I have serious doubts my warlock will ever get that high in level, but if the rest of the guilds get there I might transfer an alt

[Tamarind]

Can I just throw a spanner in the works ... ? Or at least still the wild horses, at least temporarily.

Of course, I'm happy for people to use SAN in any way they fit but perhaps we should just enjoy the ride a bit before we start wondering what to do when we reach the end of the journey.

I don't know about others but I like SAN because well, because of you fabulous people obviously but also it is a refuge from the usual pressures of WoW. There's no reason to get to endgame - apart from the pleasure of levelling and enjoying each other's company.

The moment somebody says "let's do Naxx" then suddenly levelling has become a means to an end instead of an end in itself, and all those people who are level 30, level 12, level 55 feel a pressure - regardless of whether that pressure is intentional - to catch up with the rest.

Also I think lots of us already have guilds we raid with. If you want to join a raiding guild - even a nostalgia raiding guild - there are literally hundreds out there.

At the risk of sounding smug, however, there is only one SAN. I would be very sad indeed if SAN lost what it is, in an effort to become something it isn't.

Of course, there's nothing to stop us - if/when we get to 80 - looking round gchat one day and saying "hey, there are 10 of us, let's pop into [insert name of instance]". But there's a world of difference between that and, err, planning for it.

I'm sorry if this sounds negative or grumpy - it's really not meant to. I think it's fantastic that we're all forming close enough ties that we like the idea of spending time together and doing more in-game content together.

BUT let's appreciate what we have now for a bit, yes?

[pewter]

I agree entirely with you SAN. If it happens, that's fine, but I don't want to be in a situation where I have to put aside other WoW activities in order to keep up.

But then I think it's a personal choice as to whether one puts pressure on ones self anyway.

[Jaedia]

I wasn't trying to put pressure on anybody or planning anything, more of a passing idea rather than rushing into heroics if or when we get to 80 Literally just a spur of the moment idea I had.

If the idea of anything is going to ruin or make people feel bad, forget I mentioned it, sorry.

[Tamarind]

It is a cool passing idea, make no mistake, and certainly not one to apologise for

And one I think we should definitely sidle up to sideways and poke a bit if a group of us were level 80, still invested in SAN and wondering what to do with ourselves

[aleanathem]

I hope SAN isn't just a passing fad Tam. I'd say if we all do make it to the 60s/70s/80s I know some of us probably aren't going to want to just level more alts so this is a great idea.

I don't think mentioning raiding puts the pressure. Nothing has been set from listening to you or MM. =)

I'd feel no pressure even if it was stated. Although a guild does have to have some purpose at some point. I know that from being the guild master of a guild that had none.

[theanorak]

As someone who "raided" for the first time last night, I'd definitely be interested in taking a wander through some of the old content -- as and when we get there

[Tamarind]

I'm sure things to do in and with SAN will emerge naturally - like I say, I'm sure there'll come a point when we'll look around and go "hey, let's do this thing together."

However, the fact that SAN does not have a "conventional" WoW purpose does not mean it is purposeless.

Like I say, I would hope SAN is a means in itself, not a means to an end.

[len]

It will be a loooong time before any of my wee alts are ready for anything big and scary like Naxx... or Karazan... or Scarlet Monastary... The thought of hitting even level 60 on a horde character is entirely alien to me!

I think one of the main differences with SAN is that most members have a 'home' guild somewhere where they can get their raiding fix, and participate in a more 'usual' guild where people need to progress together to feel part of the guild. SAN itself doesn't have to be like that, although as people level up (especially given the amount of people around currently) it is natural that people will start to think about teaming up and hitting some of the more challenging content.

[Jaedia]

It was literally just an idea, I'm not trying to make SAN into a raiding guild, I wouldn't want that either, and I don't care if it never does. Please please don't worry about it.

[istarian]

I don't think its a bad idea, so no need to apologise. In fact, floating the idea gets it out to be discussed, which is never a bad thing.

Regarding Tamarind's position, I'm already feeling pressure to try and level up - although that's the nature of WoW I guess. As I'm trying to put myself into the position of someone who has never played WoW before, I would love a chance of older obsolete content. But first I have to see where this path leads... :]